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« Reply #30 on: Apr 23rd, 2004, 9:24pm »

Which really is an appalling statistic. What say you, Stormcloud? (if you haven't left the forum forever)
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« Reply #31 on: Oct 13th, 2008, 7:38pm »

Going way back to the beginning of this topic, a couple of you kept up a little debate on natural effects of environmental degradation. I'm not too damn knowledgeable about Environmental degradation. But my point in this little post is to find out what the definition of 'natural' is.

I could attempt to write forever about what 'natural' is, but what isn't it?

Let me ask you this. If we create something, say some robots or machines of a sort, and then without us telling those 'tools' to do a certain task, they do it. Say for instance a malfunction of a robot sends it on a mission to kill every last rabbit in the world, and it succeeds. Then is the extinction of the bunnies considered natural. We did build the robot, but we didn't tell the robot to have a desire to kill all the bunnies.

If you think the above scenario is still considered natural, why? is it because the mass bunny killings were done by something that exists, a physical thing? or because whether we wanted to or not we ended up causing the extinction? What about if the robots were designed to save the bunnies? What about if we designed the robots to come up with a their version of the meaning of their existence and they figured that killing bunnies was the reason they were built?

I don't really have a working definition in my head of what 'natural' means in a universal sense. I hear too many people talk about what 'natural' doesn't mean and it seems like there can be an argument for any scenario where unnatural can be considered natural. What's the point of the word? Humans did make it up so it is possible that we goofed and should have never even attempted to describe something like it. I mean, if nothing is unnatural, what is natural?

So what is your idea of what is natural?
Now the hard part... what is unnatural?
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