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« Reply #45 on: Dec 29th, 2003, 8:36pm »

heh, well atleast we agreed to something tongue
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« Reply #46 on: Dec 30th, 2003, 06:29am »

I thought that Hindenburg was the presidednt, and he wouldn't let Hitler become chancellor for... well, obvious reasons.
I don't think that some mistakes have been made again. For example's sake, Germany after World War 2 wasn't forced into accepting total blame (although that could have been because it seemed obvious, it wasn't made official I don't think), nor shunned from international society. They were helped a lot, moreso by America because they hadn't been quite so devastated and could afford to help a bit more. Unfortunately the Cold War gave them a whole new batch of mistakes to deal with... but there wasn't a hot war, so I guess they learnt something somewhere along the line. Well, actually, no, there was a hot war, just instead of fighting each other they fought their allies. Although I don't remember any country fighting the allies of their enemy, so again you could say they were making whole new mistakes... meh, maybe people in power just don't read history books. In fact, politicians today are more like dodgy car salesmen than anything else.
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« Reply #47 on: Jan 3rd, 2004, 01:51am »

heh, very true Thoth.

They ammended some mistakes and made others.

But in the end I supose its about bringing up the education bar all around the world.(and maybe the wisdom bar)...?
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« Reply #48 on: Jan 4th, 2004, 01:33am »

President - Chancellor. They are the same thing.
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« Reply #49 on: Jan 8th, 2004, 3:20pm »

Are you sure? I thought that the President was the head of state, voted in maybe every seven years, and the Chancellor was the head of government, voted in every five years? I'm only making educated guesses on the actual number of years, it may be five-three.

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Yes. But then who's to say that the mistakes made today aren't the same mistakes made yesturday, only more elaborate and high-tech?
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« Reply #50 on: Jan 8th, 2004, 6:01pm »

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Well thats true. Maybe when people are more intelligent they will realise what is right and wrong and not only what mistakes made in the past. undecided
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« Reply #51 on: Jan 10th, 2004, 7:55pm »

One can only hope, lol
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« Reply #52 on: Jan 10th, 2004, 11:53pm »

It seems simple. But there is more depth in right and wrong when we get older and the situations are more complicated isn't there.
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« Reply #53 on: Jan 12th, 2004, 5:06pm »

Problem with right or wrong is not only that the interpretations of them change over time, but they vary from country to country, I guess. And you can't really go to a foreign country and tell them what's right and what's wrong if A) It's what they've always believed and so it's part of their culture and B) If they can vary like that, who's to say yours' is more right than theirs?
I know that most nations (at least, most with any considerable degree of power) have agreed on the basic human rights, and those are a good start. Maybe sometime in the future, adding war to the list of no-nos would be a good idea. Then all disputes would have to be solved politically. Although enforcing it would become problematic, lol. Maybe a clause that says if one country (even the US) goes to war for any reason other than temporary self-defense, and ignores negotiations, all other nations who are able will fight back, will fight back. Kind of like a world-wide NATO, a purely defensive agreement on top of everything else.
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« Reply #54 on: Jan 13th, 2004, 6:13pm »

heh, no I think that might become dangerous. tongue

But I believe there is law against war. It must be completely justified or atleast th UN must agree to it.

The Americans tried to go through the UN, did their fair share of 'diplomacy' and because they knew their superficial diplomacy wouldn't work they self-justified refutation of the UN and unilateraly declared war on Iraq. We know now that war with Iraq was on Bush's agenda right from the start of his presidential career.

The UN doesn't agree with it, but the US does! cheesy

I think its just because people can't see the benefit of dipomacy over war. They feel that "diplomacy tries to prevent war" rather than improving the world.
The view of diplomacy and dialoge is restricted and therefore we don't see it much.
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« Reply #55 on: Jan 17th, 2004, 3:40pm »

On the contrary, the US supports democracy 100%. So long as the other country does exactly what they are told, the US government dispises war. Of course, if the other nation refuses their terms, or actually wants something in return, and the negotiations don't go in the US's favour, then that country must have weapons of mass destruction, an insane leader who is incapable of listening to reason and must be invaded... There is a line in 'Pirates of the Carribean' that works... "a person is easier to search when they're dead'... just change that slightly... 'a person is much more susceptible to suggestion with a gun to their head'... hey, I just stumbled on the US government's secret motto!
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« Reply #56 on: Jan 18th, 2004, 04:44am »

Yes, its that very strict arogant diplomacy that isn't working. The government isn't very open to real non-violent means of solving international relations.

I mean if War with Iraq was on Bush's agenda right from the start then I can safely say that.

As you say it's: 'We don't like war, but if things don't go our way we're prepared to make that sacrifice(on behalf of civilians who can now escape an evil dictator via death and on behalf of world politics that is now going to be even more segregated and weak)'

[excuse the sinicism]
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« Reply #57 on: Jan 20th, 2004, 6:52pm »

You have a right to be cynical.
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« Reply #58 on: Jan 24th, 2004, 8:56pm »

Yeah, it's not as if the people involved have given you reason not to be undecided
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« Reply #59 on: Dec 27th, 2011, 07:40am »

on Oct 2nd, 2003, 9:14pm, Tim wrote:
What are your views on war?


This word war should be removed from the dictionaries because it is good for nothing.
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