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« Thread started on: Dec 12th, 2003, 7:41pm »

What are your opinions on Globalisation?
I think it's a mixed bag of nuts, or whatever the metaphore is. Capitalist globalisation can be a good thing - look at how much better off many of the people of Taiwan are since subjected to globalisation. The commercial profits can help develop poor countries. India is currently being used by many British companies at least for the location of telecommunications facilities such as customer service helplines, or telesales. Which is also a good thing for them as it has created some high-paying jobs for them.
But culturally, I think globalisation could be considered bad. Although I disagree with people who think that cultures should be kept alive as tourist attractions, as if people are being treated as things to see in a zoo, some diverse cultures are suffering. Japan used to have a very strong culture, and while this still exists, it's hard to imagine to what degree it exists when you see a McDonalds on a typical Japanese high street on TV. You know what I mean.
So what do you guys think of globalisation? Good, bad, or a bit of each?
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 16th, 2003, 01:11am »

One of the problems with globalisation is that countries like the US tend to dominate. Their companies sprout all around the world and they get profits.
Obviously not all, its an overgeneralisation, but indeed the cultural identity and practise tends to fade doesn't it.

Its often that the ideas are okay, but the application in some areas turns out sour.

It is of course important that countries work wit hother countries in economic trade, but its important that culture is preserved.

About Japan, it does seem to be very Ameicanised, but its not like everyone speaks English, and everyone likes American football and everything. I know that eventhough Japan has McDonalds and other stores, they are distinctly Japanese. Japanese culture is still strong in Japan.
Eventhough perhaps different styles are coming in from different parts of the world, there is still that Japanese flare in everything. Well atleast thats my view, I've been there and my mother is Japanese.

It is possible that Americanism can take over a country, but essentially it is up to the country itself to see how it can use globalisation to its nation's advantage. Its important that countries use and help eachother.

My two cents, what does everyone else think?
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 17th, 2003, 5:52pm »

Well I didn't mean to say that Japan is a Far-Eastern America, I know their culture is still alive. But it seems to be fading, somehow. Well, rather it seems to be incorporating some American customs into their own and making a new culture.
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 18th, 2003, 01:23am »

Well of course its changing.

But the Japanese used western change for their own survival.

I don't think that it will become extremely Americanised.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 22nd, 2003, 9:41pm »

I think that other English speaking countries are the worst affected by American globalisation. Take, for example, Australia. Here we once took pride in being individual: seperate from the world powers of America and Britain. But it appears that even that diminished individuality is to be destroyed in the wake of the US-Australian Free trade agreement. We are already swamped by American-style food, American television and, an American sense of humour. McDonalds and poor quality American sitcoms seem to be the only things on the commercial television networks. Oh, and those awful Australian sketch shows (shudder. I would rather American shows than those!) Our already floundering film and television industries will be obliterated by free trade.
Frankly, I think the free trade agreement is a very silly thing for both sides to enter into. It will also destroy the lives of hundreds of American farmers, hence ending the romantic notion of American country farms.
Austalians must preserve the film and television industry, or we shall begin to subconsciencly believe that life happens somewhere else, spoken in accents other than our ownm, with ideals other than our own.

Oh well, we've always got "Neighbours" to fall back on. wink
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 23rd, 2003, 12:25am »

NO, not neighbours *has a fit*

Its all very nice and good to just blame free trade, but you have to realise that the Australian people are the largest role in supresing Americanism in our country.

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Here we once took pride in being individual: seperate from the world powers of America and Britain

Not REALLY really.

Theres always been that cultural cringe in Australia. Always, even a subtle idolisation of those more developed countries. But it's true that we do however have a fairly strong cultrual identity, and the Americanism isn't completely assimilating us(among most).
I think its the very reason that we don't have great quality TV shows or not many of our own movies that we suffer from this cultural cringe.
Now we can only depend on ourselves or *sighs* the Australian government to strengthen our identity and meaning.
If Australia can somehow boosts our representation of individuality then surely our strength as a nation will rocket up.
The free trade agreement is only a danger if we make it so. Of course its all nice and good to say this, but I fear the reality is that Australia's powerful indiviuality been nurtured here with great benefit is somewhere in the future.

HOWEVER if we do want our identity, and be very patriotic about it, are we going to end up like America anyway?

Maybe its just better to be multi-cultrual. To not only support Australian film and what not, but also multiculturalism. We don't want to end up like France do we(anti-muslim scarfians)?
Questions.....(for Australians, but also I suppose directed to other countries)
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 28th, 2003, 8:11pm »

on Dec 23rd, 2003, 12:25am, Tim wrote:
HOWEVER if we do want our identity, and be very patriotic about it, are we going to end up like America anyway?

We don't want to end up like France do we(anti-muslim scarfians)?


Yes. If we become overly patriotic than we will most certainly become like America. Australians do not blindly believe their nation to be the greatest in the world in every aspect. I'm over generalising, but American children are told from a very young age that there is no country better to live in than America. Now, with the problems with theft, guns, drugs and violence we all know that, on the whole, there are less dangerous places to live. This nationalism that the general US population posesses is the cause of their arrogance; that they think that it's alright to defy the UN, that they think they can just invade other nations without sufficient cause. The only reason the rest of the world puts up with it is because America will simply turn on them as they did France (freedom fries? Nausiating!) if they complain about Americas actions. I have known a fair few Americans and they all believe that the USA is the worlds best country. Yes, that sort of saccherine patriotism is not the way to save Australia's own national identity.
And what is wrong with Chirac's decision to ban muslim head scarves in schools? You must remember he also banned christian, jewish and other religious symbols. I think it is a good plan to create equality among students in schools, without other pupils looking down on fellow class members because of religion. It is a good decision for a healthy future learning environment, which is not the place to display one's spiritual identity. All of France's promininent religious leaders have backed up Chirac's new law.
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 29th, 2003, 8:35pm »

I suppose I agree with you on the whole national identity thing. Eventhough in a way it is a generalisation(as you were saying).

And with the scarf thing, I don't think its very good. I think this too has taken national identity too far. Multiculturlism is really important, people need to be around and learn about other cultures and religions. Not just their own.
Its almost like the colonials.

I personally don't agree with it.
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 30th, 2003, 06:55am »

I think there is only one way to create equality in a multiracial country. Just... don't make the distinction when it comes to official decisions like school rules and employment requirements. If modern society was as tolerant as politicians would have us believe, there would be no reason to say insanely stupid things. Positive discimination is one thing that gets me angry. If the folks involved weren't racist in the first place, they wouldn't feel it necessary to give people from different cultural backgrounds a better chance than other people! As I'm still trying to get a job, stories about companies requiring a certain quota of employees from ethnic minorities get me particularly angry.
In my opinion, unless a way of life is directly destructive to another (i.e. a new Satanist religious cult that needed a Christian sacrifice every day or something a little less extreme), it should just be left to do as it wants. For example, if Muslim tradition requires them to wear a scarf wrapped around their head, they should be allowed to do so wherever they like, provided it is safe (i.e. if they need a hard-hat where they work, that is the only place I could understand them being denied the right to wear a scarf - it's for their own safety).

As for Australia being flooded with Americanism, you might be pleased to know that I was on another forum where they were talking about a car (I think a GT version of some Pontiac) which was making them angry because it was built in Australia, but they didn't want to believe it. I'm sure there are more things being shipped from Australia to America. I believe that beer is a major Australian industry. We get a lot of Australian beer here, I'm sure that makes the Americans angry too.
And for a short time, I believed that war with Australia was the only moral thing to do after seeing 'Neighbours' for the first time grin
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 3rd, 2004, 02:08am »

Well said Thoth.

In a society like South Africa its very important to get the Native comunity back on their feet. In this instance they are using positive discrimination.
If this positive discrimination gives all people a good standard education and health then I'm happy.
If then everyone has a goos standard of living then theres no need for the positive discrimination.

But sometimes in order to put peopl back on their feet they need material support. I hope if works though. In the end its up to the people as to whether or not they want to use it well.

In a modern society (I'm not sure if we can call ourselves that, I'm really not sure) however we shouldn't be discriminating against or for anyone. Rather we should be supplying a balanced playinf field.
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I would be happy if you came and killed all the neighbours crew. No just joking.
I also heard that some people in England were developing an Australian accent from neighbours.
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 4th, 2004, 01:30am »

That's really weird, developing an accent from a TV show.

Positive discrimination defeats its own purpose. The aim is to give everybody equal rights, but in the attempt of doing so it is elevating one ethnic group above another. That such a thing is deemed necessary to get people of other cultures employed, that just proves how pathetically prejudiced society is. People should be able to see beyond colour, language and faith, but, unfortunately, that is not the case.
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Heh, some people take soaps very seriously over here. I know of one or two who actually take the lives of the characters on soaps more seriously than their own lives. I wouldn't be surprised if they developed an accent off a soap. But by the same token, I didn't know anyone watched Neighbours long enough, lol...

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Positive discrimination defeats its own purpose. The aim is to give everybody equal rights, but in the attempt of doing so it is elevating one ethnic group above another. That such a thing is deemed necessary to get people of other cultures employed, that just proves how pathetically prejudiced society is. People should be able to see beyond colour, language and faith, but, unfortunately, that is not the case.


Exactly what I've always thought.

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Indeed, it is important. But it shouldn't be done based on skin colour. That's what got them off their feet in the first place, making petty distinctions. If made pure equals in Britain, there should be no quotas for employers. It almost sounds patronising that they should be forced into hiring a certain amount. The poor of ethnic minorities would be given benefits just as they would in ethnic minorities. When a black is murdered, it wouldn't instantly be called a racist crime. All these things are PC gone mad. As Torrich said, in a purely non-racist society, the need for such distinctions wouldn't be made in the first place.
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 8th, 2004, 6:07pm »

Well that is the right thought isn't it.

But in South Africa its probably becuase the whole system was against in Black people. A huge majority of the money is with the white people.

Black people are starving everywhere. So initially it was probably important to favour to Black people.

But no I see what you're saying. I don't know enough about the situation in South Africa to make a real opinion. I only know what they did and assume that it was in the best interests.

But I should probably read up on the situation. wink
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 10th, 2004, 7:47pm »

Well, South Africa is probably an extreme example, and the black population isn't exactly the innocent and vicitimised sector some people think they are. It isn't uncommon to hear of entire white families slaughtered and their properties, especially farms, burnt to the ground. While one may argue they have a right to feel angry about their past persecution, they're not exactly doing a good job of arguing their case by making the remaining white population afraid of going near any blacks for fear of dying.

Over in a less extreme country like Britain, the only racial tensions come from ignorance, more than anything. I was at a family dinner on New Years day (with a headache, I might add) and heard my mother, father and grandparents having a conversation that wouldn't have been out of place in a Neo-Nazi or Ku Klux Clan (or however they name themselves) meeting. I was shocked, but their entire conversation was based on stereotypes and one or two hyped-up news reports. I just put it down to a generation gap - they did live through some nasty racial fights - and left it at that. Once my mother was going on about how 'uncivilised' blacks were and I asked her why she thought that. She said because they're all criminals. I pointed out that a month or two before a black doctor had treated her in hospital, and you couldn't have asked for a nicer bloke. She suggested that black people are not the same species, that their bodily makeup is different to our own in some way. She doesn't know how exactly. It was like talking to someone from the 19th century.
But the fact that so many people of their generation feel the same way, combined with this positive discrimination the guilt-loaded government has taken upon itself to implement, the idea of a harmonious 'multi-cultural society' Britain paints itself as, is far from reality. Which really gets me down, because now that generation is imprinting its beliefs on whomever is easily influenced in the younger generations, and thus continuing their poorly-researched program of prejudice.
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 10th, 2004, 11:46pm »

True.

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It isn't entirely their fault though. I mean the society there has been changed so greatly that violence isn't an uncommon thing. I'm not saying its good, but thats the effect of invasion and opression.
People there are different to people in Europe. And of course, they now have to deal with it themselves. The actual people aren't as educated and happy as they could be because of this serious upheavel of culture and way of life.
It has to be turned around now to make a society that works.

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Yeh. There are many people like that. ANd as you were saying there is a generational gap that is quite significant. Like education and the experiences under-gone. And that perhaps again comes back to education.

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Well yes. Of course there are those who aren't so prejudice and genuinely want to improve things for the good. The time will come when these people will spearhead education and multicultural open-minded socities.
Actually, these people are us! We are the new generation, the new leaders!
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