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« Reply #15 on: Jan 28th, 2004, 6:35pm »

Yeah, those Boers weren't exactly 'nice' to the natives of SA: wasn't it a part of their religion?
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« Reply #16 on: Jan 29th, 2004, 11:35pm »

I don't know, but their sense of morals, by any standards outside of he middle ages, was pretty screwed-up.
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« Reply #17 on: Jan 31st, 2004, 8:32pm »

Yeah, they wouldn't look out of place in the Nazi party undecided
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« Reply #18 on: Feb 2nd, 2004, 11:48pm »

In fact, many of the Boers who remained in South Africa after the war became fanatical Nazi supporters when WW2 came around. They beleived that Hitler saw the "liberation" of S.A. from the British as a major priority.

Have you seen "Breaker Morant"?
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« Reply #19 on: Feb 7th, 2004, 4:40pm »

Now I haven't; do you recommend it?
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« Reply #20 on: Feb 13th, 2004, 12:19am »

Yes, it is possibly the best Australian film ever made, that's not saying much, but it is good by any standards. It's about 3 Australian soldiers who are court-martialled in the Boer War for shooting prisioners against regulations. Based on a play.
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« Reply #21 on: Feb 14th, 2004, 11:25pm »

Sounds interesting... I'll certainly keep an eye out for it.
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« Reply #22 on: Feb 15th, 2004, 4:59pm »

It's well worth it.
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« Reply #23 on: Feb 22nd, 2004, 4:50pm »

smiley Well, I used to want to bag the Brittish Empire for similar reasons as those mentioned in this thread, but then I watched the History of Britain (I think it was called) on the ABC and realised that it was an incredible feat that the Brits survived all the raping and pillaging by the Vikings to the Romans to become an integrated "Empire" at all.

Thinking of it in those terms, it seems so many empires have come and gone - look at the "Roman Empire" now - with very similar motives and results. Firstly a group of people wants to survive. Want their culture to continue to grow, to feel they are part of a strong community. Part of that survival means being stronger than other groups and acquiring wealth... and on it goes until they're decimating allegedly peaceful natives, wiping out ancient wisdom without a thought - (take the destruction of thousands of years old history in Iraq recently for an example of that).

We who speak English as our native tongue are, after all, offspring of the British Empire.

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« Reply #24 on: Feb 29th, 2004, 4:42pm »

Indeed. "A History of Britain" was a very good series. I have come around more to a sort of pro-empire view since arguing with thoth about the moralistic justifications of the Empire. It probably, in the end, did more good than evil, although some of the things that British Imperialists did can never be justified.
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« Reply #25 on: Mar 1st, 2004, 7:47pm »

Also, the British Empire is the only empire I know of that didn't get obliterated in a damaging war, didn't deliberately destroy her colonies or ravage them to the point of destruction, and remained friendly with most of her independant territories. Look at the Commonwealth. Not many empires in history could have done that. Twas an amicable withdrawal.
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« Reply #26 on: Mar 4th, 2004, 03:13am »

Yes. That's true.
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« Reply #27 on: Jul 15th, 2006, 06:22am »

on Oct 17th, 2003, 02:37am, Tim wrote:
Yes, well the ramifications of the British empire have been quite devastating. Such as in Australia where there is almost a crisis for the aborignial people and their way of life in modern times here.

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I don't see how the British Empire can be blamed for this.
Their problems today would have come whatever.
Look at what happened to the Native Americans north and south.
Of the British Empire all I can say is at it's peak it was a huge responsibility that indeed brought wealth, but to who?
Children still worked the coal mines and walked barefoot. no need to say more there.
If Britain didn't make this empire somebody else of the day would have done.
Would you have proffered the Empire builders of the 20th century?
Germany and Japan?
Britain did not rule with the Iron hand that the Left wing zealots would have you believe and it was all a different world as well then.
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« Reply #28 on: Jul 18th, 2006, 03:21am »

Fair enough point.
But it's a strange way to look at history and say 'Well it was going to happen anyway'. To some degree we have to understand WHY these things happen, although of course I agree that dwelling on the past is pretty redundant.
The fact that some other country would have invaded Australia isn't the point I don't think, we have to consider the importance of the culture and thus the land to the original inhabitants. The British entered this land eventually with a policy of assimilation, enforcing their Christian and Western values on the aborignal people, and therefore alienating them from both their own identity and our own society as well.
In this day and age we realise the faults of those in power, and of course we understand that considering the time there couldn't have been anything else that they would've done with this situation. Still however to this day, do we invade other countries, constructing puppet government etc. and not really giving, in general, freedom for people to assert their individual expression as a social whole.
The conflicts are obvious, however there are reasons for them; the argument that these are simply 'evil' people that need defeat by force has never worked in the history of the world. Okay oops I'm ranting off topic here.
The issue of colonial ramifications is a complex one involving matters of cultural identity, rights and liberty. It is a natural course in history that this should happen, a natural course in the development of western and global psyche, and yet there seems to be so little learnt from it, which asks serious questions about humanity I think.
Of course we can't simply blaim the British but we have to question heavily to ideology and state of mind that brought this on, and that perpetuates small minded enforcement of opression today.
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« Reply #29 on: Apr 30th, 2008, 8:41pm »

Boring.... sad((
Guys did you know that British Royal Horse Artillery are one of the first instance of the British Imperialism. Yes !
Royal Horse Artillery troops rode hard into battle and usually split into two-gun divisions. They would not place the guns side-by-side - in order to lessen the damage from any enfilade fire - but placed one diagonally behind the other.
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