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« Reply #30 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 04:53am »

I see. But situations change and initial policies may change. How does the government deal with that with respect to its people, or rather what power do the people have.
e.g. Our Prime Minister John Howard never said "I'm not going to go to war" or "I'm willing to go to war".

The situation arose, he made the decision against much of the Australian public.
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« Reply #31 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 9:46pm »

I think to some extent that a leader has to have some degree of autonomy... it's why we have them, to make snap decisions regarding things like war. But for things that don't require immediate action, but are major, they're 'supposed' to have a referendum on it if it was not covered in/if it's different to the original manifesto that they were voted in on. The fact that in most cases they don't bother/don't think to bother demonstrates just how flawed the system has become...
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« Reply #32 on: Mar 1st, 2004, 04:40am »

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fact that in most cases they don't bother/don't think to bother demonstrates just how flawed the system has become

What you're saying is that, the public really should have a meaningful role in how we are governed rather than a theoretical 'one time' decision that spans 4 years.
Or is that making the public too powerful and diminishing the meaning of politicians(as much as I'd like to see that). Should we view politicians only as representatives of the people, or as representatives of themselves with respect to their nation??

This is what we are tied between isn't it. Whats the equalibrium? Do we need to change perspective? To what? How?
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« Reply #33 on: Mar 1st, 2004, 7:31pm »

Politicians only represent the people when they know what the people want. In their current state, they represent themselves and the odd super-rich businessman who can influence them 'somehow'. Not the people.
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« Reply #34 on: Mar 2nd, 2004, 12:45am »

So the leaders need a more effective way of knowing what the public wants?
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« Reply #35 on: Mar 2nd, 2004, 7:51pm »

Most leaders don't want to know what the public wants. They only want to know how they can move up the chain of command. Most leaders tell us what we want. Remind you of another style of leadership? Only way they'd listen would be to impose referendums on every major governmental decision, for example joining the Euro. Even then, they'd find a way around it...
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« Reply #36 on: Mar 8th, 2004, 04:38am »

hmm, its a tough nut to crack isn't it.

I do suppose that the leaders need some sort of meaning and leadership. But leadership probably isn't about making decisions by yourself, but more importantly working together with the members, directing them toward potential.

Dialogue between leader(s) and members important?
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« Reply #37 on: Apr 21st, 2004, 11:54pm »

Obviously. If this isn't important, the government becomes like a dictatorship.
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« Reply #38 on: Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:43am »

In parliment however it seems as if the reigning party just gets to do whatever they want. How can this be improved? HOW can the public have a greater role? Heh, it's such a hard question.
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« Reply #39 on: Apr 23rd, 2004, 9:02pm »

Well, they can only do what they want if it does not change the constitution, in which case a referendum must be held to consult the ladies and gentlemen of the public on the change in question.
Anyway, if the governement had to consult the people on everything then there would be no point in having it. The role of the government is to run the country, not to ask the people how the country should be run. The notion of the people being consulted on every important decision somewhat contradicts the purpose behind having a governing body. The only time at which the government is wrong in not consulting the pulic body is when this contraditcts that which is laid down in the constitution.
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« Reply #40 on: Apr 28th, 2004, 07:10am »

Think not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country!

There are many stupid things the government can do in the boundaries of the constitution
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« Reply #41 on: Apr 30th, 2004, 06:10am »

If the government does do something stupid within the law, the people are to be blamed. They elected them. And if they don't like them after a term in office, they vote them out at the next election.
No system of goverment can work perfectly all the time. Except communism, of course...
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« Reply #42 on: May 3rd, 2004, 03:06am »

Thats a serious flaw in the democracy. Politicians are people, they can't just do whaveter they want because they feel like it. Its a weak mentality.
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« Reply #43 on: May 6th, 2004, 6:24pm »

The fact that you vote a party in on what it says it will do, only for the party to do something different, goes some way to prove that the theory isn't applicable in practice.
Take university top-up fees in Britain. Regardless of people's opinions now, Labour made a clear point of being against them. It was in their manifesto. So they introduced them anyway. Seems to me that a party should do exactly what it says it would do, otherwise democracy fails... people are voting for a party because of what they say they will do, only for them to do completely different things. How is that the people's fault, other than them actually believing a politician?
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« Reply #44 on: May 7th, 2004, 05:12am »

Yes. There should be some way of ensuring that they uphold their word.
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