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« Reply #30 on: Dec 30th, 2003, 06:02am »

I wonder what would happen if the American people went without something like this to fear for a decade... maybe like you said the gun problem would decrease. Although thinking about it, the country would probably just become isolationist xenophobes again, and be a little suspicious of everyone, like the country as a whole was pre-WW1.
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« Reply #31 on: Jan 3rd, 2004, 01:42am »

Well if, they, instead of fearing, welcomed and encouraged the rest of the world that might not happen..?

I mean, in saying that, I don't mean to say, that they do nothing about terrorism. But dealing with such conflicts realistically and not provisionally.
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« Reply #32 on: Jan 4th, 2004, 01:36am »

on Dec 30th, 2003, 06:02am, Thoth wrote:
the country would probably just become isolationist xenophobes again, and be a little suspicious of everyone, like the country as a whole was pre-WW1.


Whatdaya mean, "become"?
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« Reply #33 on: Jan 4th, 2004, 02:07am »

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« Reply #34 on: Jan 8th, 2004, 3:17pm »

Heh, well they certainly are xenophobic, but they definitely aren't isolationist...
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« Reply #35 on: Jan 8th, 2004, 5:57pm »

smiley thats true(generally speaking)
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« Reply #36 on: Jan 10th, 2004, 8:02pm »

Well, I am usually referring to the American government, not necessarily all of its people. Although that said, most are almost insanely patriotic... more so than anyone in any other country ever has been to my knowledge. I've only ever met, in person, two Americans. All they did was point out what was better in the 'good ol' US of A'... not what was different, but what was better. Apparently, even McDonalds tastes better in the US. I didn't think it could taste of anything, myself :S
I do know of some, only from the Internet, who actually dislike their country and most of its policies, though, so you can't really generalise the entire country, I guess.

I don't know whether it was an American celebrity being interviewed, or something I read somewhere, but some American guy said (not exact words, because I'm citing from memory, you understand, but it is the general gist), but it made me wonder just how bad it was: 'I never knew anything much about the countries outside of America. They don't teach you much in school. I never went on holiday outside the US. I didn't even have a passport till I became famous and had to do tours. I think most people are like that, though'. I anyone saw/read that same quote, gimme a nod in the right direction so I can correct it.
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« Reply #37 on: Jan 11th, 2004, 12:05am »

Yeh well I've heard similar things.

USA as a country seems to work very well. I mean from a perspective of growth and wealth.

But now they've just been awakened to the seriousness of the enormous amount of debt thay are in. The way they are leaching off other countries is not good for their economy and thus their growth. And even the rest of the world probably will not benefit and maybe rise in interest rates(I don't know how that works exactly, I heard it on the news tongue)

I know Dr. Johan Galtung who is a world-renowned peace mediator and conflict transcendance professor whom I was luckily enough to attend a workshop of; predicted some time ago the fall of the US 'empire' because of all the internal problems.

We are starting to see that now. Because I think of a over-done attitude toward all sorts of things it is really blinding them and dragging them down in the long run.
Of course this is a generalisation there are many open-minded and great americans.
But the people leading the country and the bulk of the jingoistic public have to realise these things, and have to turn around the society or atleast the attitude.
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« Reply #38 on: Jan 12th, 2004, 4:55pm »

Education, yeah. Till that happens, any American party can go on the news and say ''you hate everyone outside America? We do too! We'll invade 'em all for you if you vote for us!'' and everyone will vote for them...
It doesn't help I suppose that most media imported into America, for example British-made movies, are made in the image the American consumer has of us. Then Hollywood stereotypes foreigners, then the consumers see such stereotypes and identify with them as though fact... maybe eductating the media moguls would help?
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« Reply #39 on: Jan 13th, 2004, 6:06pm »

Its a spiral isn't it.

Well when America does wind down maybe education will be boosted. Dialogues and non-violence wink
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« Reply #40 on: Jan 17th, 2004, 3:32pm »

Either that or the power hungry government makes one last-ditch attempt to gain power through less-than-amicable means undecided... unfortunately, that sounds quite a bit more plausible than it did in my head.
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« Reply #41 on: Jan 18th, 2004, 04:34am »

For Americas sake I hope not
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« Reply #42 on: Jan 24th, 2004, 9:10pm »

I guess it depends on who's in office... if Mr B is still hanging around the Oval Office, it'd be bad for everyone, not just Uncle Sam and his kids...
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« Reply #43 on: Jan 25th, 2004, 01:39am »

True.
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« Reply #44 on: Feb 22nd, 2004, 5:30pm »

So Israel - Palestine turns to a discussion about the good/bad ol' US of A. Understandable.

But back to the original topic, we (my husband and I) work with backpackers, coordinating a tour of our National Park here in Queensland Australia and we get quite a few Israelis coming through (no Palestinians that I know of wink) and they have various things to say about the situation. They say the Palestinians are taught in school to hate and kill the Jews as part of their curriculum. They've also said that their (israeli) government has even tried giving them (the Palestinians) a piece of Jerusalem in the hope that this would satisfy them, but to no avail. I don't have any facts on that count, and my husband might have gotten that bit wrong, as it doesn't seem to get mentioned in the usual debates on the topic...

But I don't think you can separate religion from Politics in that region of the world. I think what might help the situation is if the Jews formally recognise that Muhammed was a prophet of God. The Jews of his (Muhammed's) day apparently refused to acknowledge him, since he wasn't of their clan, and that's what made him mad in the first place (according to a book I have called "religions of the world"). The book said he originally aimed his ritual prayers toward Jerusalem, but when he was rejected by the Jews of the day, he decided to aim them toward Mecca, which was his home town.

His main message, and the definition of "Islam" was/is "submit (your will to God)". It seems to me that this was a message the Lord wished to give to the Jews through Muhammed, but they chose not to receive it and thus fueled this arabic enmity.

Eventually, if we're to have peace, throughout the world, I think there needs to be a sincere coming together of the various religions and an acceptance that while Jesus is Lord to the Christians, Muhammad was also a relevant and important messenger from the same God, the God of Israel. If we all submitted our collective wills to God - as we each understand "Him/Her/It", we'd be fine, but then we'd also be living in the New Earth/Heaven/Utopia that we dream of where there is no need for prisons, let alone the death penalty, and where politicians would no longer find themselves caught up in this web of deceit that keeps the economy going, living on borrowed dollars made from the hide of impoverished Asians and Africans slashing and burning ancient rainforests and untold numbers of species of flora and forna...

Then of course there are the occasional psychotic assassins throwing a spanner in the "one God/higher power" scenario by shooting people like John Lennon because "God" told them to.

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