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« Reply #45 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 04:49am »

THats interesting. Solving the conflict through religious understanding.
I don't know enough about the religious situation to give a good opinion.

Its a touchy isue.
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« Reply #46 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 9:52pm »

Heh, you know enough to know that religious understanding on even the most fundamental level will take a looong time... It's not just a case of 'Hey, did you know blah blah?', 'Oh really? Why didn't you say so! Let's stop fighting then!'
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« Reply #47 on: Feb 24th, 2004, 7:38pm »

Thanks for the welcome cheesy

Yes, you're right, I'm making it sound absurdly simple, but on the other hand, "sorry", although it might seem to be the hardest word, can actually have quite a deep impact on such troubled situations.

Inevitably there will be violent grudge holders who really don't want to stop the fighting, but if such powerful institutions as religious organisations can find a way to allow those of other belief systems to co-exist without continually insinuating/blatently stating that said others are "wrong" and doomed to a less pleasant eternity for holding these different beliefs, they pave the way for individuals to shake hands without the conflict of going against said religious organisations.

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« Reply #48 on: Feb 24th, 2004, 9:22pm »

Yes, you're right. All I'm saying is, it'll take a while. I wouldn't be surprised to still be hearing news reports of Israeli-Palestinian warfare while I'm on my deathbed... Generations of hatred'll do that to a place. Again, it's kind of like the Northern Ireland issue. In some ways, it's gone beyond religion. Heck, I wouldn't be totally shocked if some of the Israeli/Palestinian soldiers/terrorists didn't know what started the fight in the first place.
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« Reply #49 on: Feb 25th, 2004, 8:48pm »

Yes, I heard introduced on Radio National yesterday a discussion on the subject from the angle that the Jews have been so persecuted in the past (in Europe for instance) that they have a victim mentality which they unfairly take out on the Palestinians. Would have liked to have listened to that one. Perhaps I'll catch the repeat program.
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« Reply #50 on: Feb 26th, 2004, 9:08pm »

Certainly sounds relevent. I wonder if something similar is published on the internet somewhere?
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« Reply #51 on: Feb 29th, 2004, 4:49pm »

It certainly has gone beyond religion. I don't think that such a thing will end within the next century.
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« Reply #52 on: Mar 1st, 2004, 04:52am »

Well I certainly have more optimism then that!


So there is this deep-running hatred of the other religion because ancient religious background. And also hatred that goes beyond religion. The two religions however have become very distant to their fundamental religious ideals. The 'order' is not there, therefore they think they can do what they want and they see no law other than their own.
If people began to understand religious or just normal human tolerance and compassion and practised it as all religious(and any) peoples should then this would be solved. But its too easy to say isn't it. When both sides are so blind and self-righteous that they have no human morals like compassion and understanding, then they do not want to teach the young ones these ideals let alone solve the problem now!
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« Reply #53 on: Mar 1st, 2004, 7:40pm »

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But its too easy to say isn't it. When both sides are so blind and self-righteous that they have no human morals like compassion and understanding, then they do not want to teach the young ones these ideals let alone solve the problem now!


Exactly. I have every confidence that this'll all be solved eventually. Just... not in my lifetime. If it is solved in my lifetime, that'll be great, I'll be shocked and I'll eat my hat. But even if it does, people are still going to be attacking each other in an unofficial capacity for a while longer...
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« Reply #54 on: Mar 2nd, 2004, 12:54am »

Probably.

What can we do now to help? (thats a biggie) cool
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« Reply #55 on: Mar 2nd, 2004, 7:48pm »

I don't think there's anything the West can do. They've been made aware of our diplomacy. Most Arabs hold some sort of distaste for the West these days, so there would be one side who didn't particularly appreciate our help anyway, short of invading Israel and giving it to them. They know what they have to do. All we can do is offer them neutral sites to meet up at.
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« Reply #56 on: Mar 2nd, 2004, 11:15pm »

I think it would help for the west to publicly educate themselves in the various religions, because although it's true that these wars go beyond actual religion into the realm of politics masquerading as religious idealism, they can only use religion as a smoke screen as long as the majority remain ignorant of the fundamentals of those religions.

The common man says "Religion! Huh! Look at all the wars it causes! Who needs religion?" and leave it at that, believing that each religion truly justifies such bloodshed, when of course, only a perversion of religious belief condones such madness.

I should probably go deeper and explain what I mean on another level, but I'm a little distracted at the moment.

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« Reply #57 on: Mar 8th, 2004, 04:42am »

Thats true from both of you, but I didn't make it clear; What can we as ourslves, Tim, Katerina, Thoth, Torrich(and anyone else) do?

I think Katerina's response nudged toward an answer.
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« Reply #58 on: Mar 14th, 2004, 11:53pm »

Nothing?
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« Reply #59 on: Mar 16th, 2004, 05:50am »

hah..(anyone else, or something else Torrich)
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