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« Reply #60 on: Mar 18th, 2004, 4:31pm »

He's right... nothing. I'm no more likely to fly over to Israel and start mediating a peace treaty that will work than you anyone else here is. We can make tiny gestures, but nothing that will make a difference. They'll be fighting long after we're dead and buried/cremated/experimented on.
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« Reply #61 on: Mar 18th, 2004, 6:39pm »

Yes, and I've given my solutions, but they've been dismissed (no offence taken).

But just for my personal edification, I turned to the website advertised at the top of one of these life forum pages: www.whyreligion.com, and here is what it said (in part):

"With great courage and perseverance, the author of this book has set to himself the daunting task of understanding the place and role of religion in human societies, from a comparative anthropological and historical perspective. In order to do that, he has invested years of study of religious phenomena, and much of this investment appears in this book.
Having worked as a lawyer in Jerusalem for some decades, he was able to identify, from his vantage viewpoint, the central role of religion not only in politics in the various societies of the Middle East, but, even more significantly, in the identity and self definition of the various ethnical groups.
The topic of his study is of crucial importance not only for a better understanding of the forces shaping the conflict in the contemporary Middle East, but also for a clear perception of the deep roots of the dramatic refashioning of the world at large. No one can now ignore the powerful religious dimensions of the transformations we are observing - and of which we are too often, at once, the passive actors and victims. Yehuda Cohen's monumental work gives us a thread to find our way in this intricate web.
He has put us all very much in his debt."

Might see if I can get hold of that book.
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« Reply #62 on: Mar 22nd, 2004, 01:41am »

Perhaps you can't directly go an mediate between the two sides(eventhough that is remotely possible grin), but you can build a culture of peace in your immediate environment.
Be it in your family, friend circle, school, community, shire etc.
Such grass routes strength is the core to lasting peace; without a grass routes foundation in society, there is no structure and meaning in peace.
A couple stubborn leaders cannot hold back the enormous waves of grass routes peace and non-vioence. This process starts with a single individual!
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« Reply #63 on: Mar 25th, 2004, 08:02am »

I think unforunately it'll end if one of the sides getting pretty much wholy wiped out. And the fighting is not going to stop until both sides quit teaching hate to their children. If such can somehow be pulled off, the entire problem would pretty much gone in two generations. Good luck getting that to happen though..
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« Reply #64 on: Mar 28th, 2004, 06:15am »

Tim, problems can't just be solved like that, especially one such a large scale. It would be great if they could be, but people just aren't good and trustworthy enough.
Yeah, the solution seems so simple though. So simple yet so unattainable.
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« Reply #65 on: Apr 2nd, 2004, 01:56am »

Torrich, I was explaining how you can do it on an individual level. Of course the major international conflicts like that can't be solved instantly, progress is slow, but the major causefor peace can.

It seems simple, but its not simple at all! undecided
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« Reply #66 on: Apr 3rd, 2004, 12:17am »

I think that such a thing will not work on an individual level. If it was going to work at all, mass propaganda would be required, to convince the people as a whole.
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« Reply #67 on: Apr 3rd, 2004, 04:22am »

Despite the fact that people would be closed from the truth, creating a shallow and meaningless society, which would, in the long run create more complicated problems not only for the society but for individuals. angry




+ the fact that it won't work
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« Reply #68 on: Apr 7th, 2004, 11:59pm »

That's just your opinion.
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« Reply #69 on: Apr 8th, 2004, 12:10am »

okay then. Explain to me how it would work
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« Reply #70 on: Apr 15th, 2004, 03:08am »

The pop music industry and brand name clohing manufacturers do it in the western world, through shrewdly placed advertising and celebrity power. People perceive the entire world as oing the "cool thing", and, naturally, they want to be one of the cool people too. If, say, Yasser Arafat began to tell the population that the Jews want to put an end to violence, and billboards were stamped with "reconcilliation: ensure a prosperous future for your race" or some slogan like that, people would eventually perceive geting on with the Jewish peoples as the normal thing to do, whereas on an individual level, much more time, money etc would have to be spent and it would not work on the same large scale.
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« Reply #71 on: Apr 21st, 2004, 07:54am »

This seems a little bit like a contradication, because you, in another thread, talked about how pop culture has negative effects on people's individuality.
If they did that, they'd have to reach some compromise(road map of peace), which is heavily backed by the US, and so if they did that, they'd be succumbing to the Americans wanting to control the situation and the Middle East, which would create more problems. Don't you think?
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« Reply #72 on: Apr 21st, 2004, 11:49pm »

I said that in the specific case of "trend" culture it has a negative effect, not that it always will have.

Obviously, a major power like the US will need to back such a thing. That doesn't mean that they will come to control the area. The Israelis certainly wouldn't allow that. Anyway, I don't believe that America even wants to. It's only the so-called "axis of evil" that the yanks are after.
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« Reply #73 on: Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:37am »

oooh, I wouldn't be too sure. The yanks have been after control in this area for some time. Like in Iraq(this may not be entirely true) one of the reasons they went into war, was so that they could have a presence, perhaps military, in the middle East. The oil, and the fact that most countries in the middle-east oppose them are two pretty substancial factors don't you think?

By creating a presence they can more easily get countries on their side, like Israel like Saudi Arabia(they support US don't they?) and slowly try to spread democracy, globalisation and trade.
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« Reply #74 on: Apr 23rd, 2004, 9:14pm »

Israel doesn't have any oil. They're already a major US ally anyway. But the Jews certainly wouldn't like the US practically taking over the government.
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