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« Reply #75 on: Apr 28th, 2004, 07:25am »

But I'm talking about the Middle East in general.

If they have countries on their side they can more intergratedly influence other middle Eastern countries. It's also part of this mentality that its better off for the world if they can control everything. rolleyes angry
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« Reply #76 on: Apr 30th, 2004, 06:02am »

Maybe the world is better off if we let the US control everything. There'd be no more wars wink
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« Reply #77 on: May 3rd, 2004, 03:02am »

Heheh, yay the "coalition mentality"! cheesy
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« Reply #78 on: May 6th, 2004, 6:29pm »

lol, don't hold your breath waiting for the Nobel Peace Prize grin
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« Reply #79 on: Jun 22nd, 2004, 9:01pm »

Its hard for a solution ever to be made when the people holding the cards are morons.

The US and UN shouldn't interfere because even if they did somehow manage to create peace it wouldn't last for very long - they have to find peace themselves for it to stand true through the generations (as someone said before).

The more other countries do interfere, the more messy they are making things, in particular US. Just imagine how many terrorist groups are planing attacks on US right now because if all its interfering.

Israelis and Palestinians are a lot smarter than people think. They are capable of sorting themselves out. They are seeing the destruction they have/will cause and as each generation is born, their parents will feel it is less important to teach them the hate, until its no longer such an issue.

it will never be perfect but what country is?

there is no simple solution, you can only change your own way of thinking and acting.
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« Reply #80 on: Jun 23rd, 2004, 02:25am »

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ahhh.. undecided
Well this thing has been going on for years and years and years.
But for the most part I agree with you. Although I do think that there should definately be mediators and people talking with them to make a decision or a transcendant transformation of the situation, I think it's very foolsih to do what the US did and simply try to enforce some laws(or plans) that they made up, which don't really solve the problem.

The subject is obviously really touchy and will most likely take some very wise, experienced and genuine people to mediate and to dialogue.

But as you say, very truly, the answer is within us. Within the individual, and no government can truly enforce change, only people can enforce true change.

Thats where I think religion comes in. People thinking is bent upon their pseudo understanding of their religion, based upon a self-righteous and arrogant dogma of certain individuals.
I was the emcee of a forum recently with Dr Lawrence Carter a professor of Gandhian and King and non-violence studies. He attended a discussion at Rome with lead religious and political leaders(including the Dalai Lama) and says that was generally agreed that it will be very difficult for anyone within the Jewish-Muslim-Christian ring to change the situation, but many people agreed that it will take a third party that would most likely be buddhists!
But anyway, I agree with you that it is going to take a great deal of change for the best, by the people, and by the leaders too I suppose to an extent.
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« Reply #81 on: Nov 26th, 2004, 5:54pm »

Is this conflict EVER going to end? If they were capable of "sorting themselves out" why then have the only examples of peace and ceasefires, however temporary, in the conflict been influenced by an outside force, be the the US or the UN. This conflict goes back thousands of years. It is ridiculous to expect that two races so steeped in hatred for one and other can "sort it out" themselves. Maybe if the Israelis give in to some of the Palestinian's demands, such as the establishment of an independant Palestinian state, than that will go some way to quelling the violence, but the Palestianians will not stop until they are either all dead, or succeed in obtaining what they beleive is their "holy city" Jerusalem, which, unfortunately, is also the Jews' holy city. And now that Yassar Arafat is dead, who will act as a representitive of the Palestianian people? What figure could unite the Palestinians under the one banner as strongly as Arafat did?
I really don't think there is another person that will fight for the Palestianians like Arafat.
ANd i really don't think that this violence will see an end in my, or the next generation's lifetime, if at all.
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« Reply #82 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 4:09pm »

What do you think of Obadiah Shoher's views on the Middle East conflict? One can argue, of course, that Shoher is ultra-right, but his followers are far from being a marginal group. Also, he rejects Jewish moralistic reasoning - that's alone is highly unusual for the Israeli right. And he is very influential here in Israel. So what do you think?
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