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« Reply #15 on: Mar 2nd, 2004, 7:43pm »

Slow and steady wins the race, eh?
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« Reply #16 on: Mar 8th, 2004, 04:33am »

You put into one nice sentence.

I'm open to questioning, so do you think theres a better way?
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« Reply #17 on: Mar 10th, 2004, 8:31pm »

I've tried kicking people in the shins till they agree with me. Doesn't work wink
Seriously, it sure couldn't hurt. Yet, if education is the answer, why for example do kids who know drugs are wrong and bad still go ahead and take them? When people commit murder, most of the time they know it's wrong because they try to hide the evidence. And often it's outwardly normal, intelligent people who do things like rape -- look at that guy who got a job in a school, only to kill a couple of young girls, a year or two ago. If it's education, why do intelligent people commit crimes like these?
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« Reply #18 on: Mar 12th, 2004, 01:37am »

That sicko who killed those two young girls (in Yorkshire, wasn't it?) got a job at the school as a cleaner, not a position that requires much education, so I doubt whether he was the world's smartest guy. As for intelligent people doing drugs, well, it's just peer pressure, isn't it? Someone hangs out with the wrong people and they feel they have to do drugs to fit in.
And you must remember that something like 80% of murders are committed in the heat of the moment. What education stops is people taking it upon themselves to plan murder, etc. I don't have an answer for rape, but I heard somewhere (might have been on "The Bill") that most rapists are after the elated feeling of power that rape gives them, not sexual pleasure. Don't know how that backs up my case, though.
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« Reply #19 on: Mar 14th, 2004, 8:37pm »

It doesn't matter that he wasn't a teacher. If you have a history of child abuse of that scale, you're not supposed to get a job anywhere near a school doing anything. And thinking from his perspective, getting a job in a school is a smart way of checking out potential victims.
And yeah. Frequently crimes are passion crimes. If the police don't burst through the doors and stop you, the only thing that will besides physical resistance is willpower. And you can't be 'taught' willpower, different people have different amounts. To suggest that only stupid people who don't know any better commit crimes is inaccurate in the extreme.
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« Reply #20 on: Mar 14th, 2004, 11:52pm »

But you must admit that better education would reduce crime considerably.
I am not saying that it could wipe out crime completely. And just because the system lets one convicted criminal work at a school, it doesn't mean that that guy is educated. I fail to see the point your trying to make in relation to this.
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« Reply #21 on: Mar 15th, 2004, 12:58am »

what is educaton? in sweden, we do think it bad to kill person.
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« Reply #22 on: Mar 16th, 2004, 05:59am »

well of course you do. Education is going to school, learning, tests, reading wink


Well, yes, that depends on your education and also your perspective on education. You can be very academic but be very 'screwed up' so to speak, being sick and unsocial.
Most school teach morals, but how certain people have been brought up in the family, what kinds of friends they have, certain experiences can effect their judgements and attitudes.
As for drugs I don't think its just lack of education, but as Torrich says peer pressure or maybe the urge to rebel against parents and authority. If people have a supportive background and upbringing that is probably even more important than education.
Peace on a global level will only work is you can have a supportive family! These sorts of ideals and morals based upon our environment effect our society.
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« Reply #23 on: Mar 18th, 2004, 4:23pm »

You're forgetting two vital things in your entire analysis:

- The fact that, educated or not, kids think that this new violent and criminal culture is 'cool' -- saying otherwise will make them think it's more cool

- A lot of crime is to do with poverty. If someone can't afford to survive, and the government won't give them enough to survive, they'll steal.

You can talk about education all you want, but it is almost impossible for every single person to receive a good education no matter how hard you try. For as long as there are kids who want to be cool and rebel, and for as long as there are extremely poor people, crime will always exist. And by the time you can change those, humans will have evolved to a higher level of existence anyway.
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« Reply #24 on: Mar 22nd, 2004, 01:34am »

Thats true.

Poverty can= Lack of education can= rebellion, suffering.

This is often the case, but it is still possible for people in poverty to have morals.
It is of course very wrong for people to live in poverty and we can't really expect happiness and triumph from them if they cannot feed themselves.
Poverty, lack of education, violence is the effect of greed in this upper class worlds...?
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« Reply #25 on: Mar 28th, 2004, 06:12am »

I have never met anyone who considers it cool to commit crime.
Poor people should not exist anywhere in the world, considering the level of wealth some people and governments posess.
And for the second time no one is saying that better education would wipe out crime, only reduce the problem. Just because you can't educate everybody, doesn't mean you shouldn't try.
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« Reply #26 on: Apr 2nd, 2004, 01:51am »

Of course you've met people who find it cool to commit crime. You may not know it, but surely you have.
But anyway they do exist.
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« Reply #27 on: Apr 3rd, 2004, 12:19am »

So because some people think like that, we should not attempt to improve education for the better safety of society as a whole?
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« Reply #28 on: Apr 3rd, 2004, 04:25am »

quite the opposite.
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« Reply #29 on: Apr 7th, 2004, 11:57pm »

But Thoth seems to think that the education system should be left in its present state, just because everyone won't be touched by it.
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