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« Thread started on: Jul 31st, 2006, 3:45pm »

ive thought of this and ive came across it in a book at a time...
depending on what influences u get from other people makes the one u are, if u sometimes listen to urself u will find that u talk as someone else would depending on the situation.
There are meny people who actually are not them selves insted they are a mix of a lot of other people.

so think of it for a moment and u will c that u actually use other peoples intellect towards things.
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 31st, 2006, 7:51pm »

Good point, life doesn't exist in isolation, and personality is certainly something created by your sorroundings.
But you can synthesise all this information to give a message to the world based on your own inner voice, surely. People are individual, whether that be influenced by other forces (take astrology for one, scientifically unfounded of course, but an example). Everyone has a unique 'mission' as it were, but I don't know where exactly this comes from. We know it certianly from a young age though.
What do you think?
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 1st, 2006, 04:31am »

Who you are is indeed influenced by your environment. You learn from many people, and in a way I guess you're using their intellect toward things. But I don't think like that. You talk how someone else would depending on the situation because you've accepted and learnt from that someone. That doesn't mean that you are a mix if that someone along with everyone else you learn from. Intellect doesn't belong to someone. But if you're just copying their wise words, then that's a different story.

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Everyone has a unique 'mission' as it were, but I don't know where exactly this comes from. We know it certianly from a young age though.

A mission? That would mean that we have a destiny? Sorry, but I don't believe in that stuff anymore. We choose our own paths. That's my opinion.
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 1st, 2006, 05:55am »

Of course, but what I mean is that you have an individuality that needs to be expressed, and that is what I'm calling 'mission', although we can give it any other title.
Do you agree though, that everyone has something to express in some way or another?
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 1st, 2006, 10:45am »

on Jul 31st, 2006, 7:51pm, Tim wrote:
Good point, life doesn't exist in isolation, and personality is certainly something created by your sorroundings.
But you can synthesise all this information to give a message to the world based on your own inner voice, surely. People are individual, whether that be influenced by other forces (take astrology for one, scientifically unfounded of course, but an example). Everyone has a unique 'mission' as it were, but I don't know where exactly this comes from. We know it certianly from a young age though.
What do you think?


hmm a thinker that is, i dont actually know were it comes from but anyhow its kind of creepy to see sometimes that u express urself as someone other and i believe that its sometimes easy to use someone with great influence in example the meeting of new people or some situation like that, insted of really expressing who u are. Fear i think have a part in it a fear of showing who u really are.
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 1st, 2006, 1:56pm »

Tim, of course I agree that someone has something to express in some way. Art, my favourite way of expressing yourself. No constrictions. Only freedom.

Johannes, are you saying that we pretend to be someone else depending on the situation?? Yeah, that definitely sounds creepy. Quote:
Fear i think have a part in it a fear of showing who u really are.
Do you mean fear of what people may think of you?? Because that certainly is a common issue. But maybe it isn't fear, at all. Maybe you just find it difficult to trust others. You don't want to show everything about you, because when that person betrays you, you know that he/she betrayed the whole you. If you don't show the whole you then you won't fall so hard. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? Sorry, it sounds so vague.
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« Reply #6 on: Aug 1st, 2006, 2:50pm »

Johannes, are you saying that we pretend to be someone else depending on the situation?? Yeah, that definitely sounds creepy. Do you mean fear of what people may think of you?? Because that certainly is a common issue. But maybe it isn't fear, at all. Maybe you just find it difficult to trust others. You don't want to show everything about you, because when that person betrays you, you know that he/she betrayed the whole you. If you don't show the whole you then you won't fall so hard. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? Sorry, it sounds so vague. [/quote]

well dont u fear that people come to close and thats why u cant trust them. t otrust someone they have to somehow deserve its in our instinct.

And yes as u read psycholigy u se a lot of creepy things, mind can be a hard thing to understand.
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 2nd, 2006, 01:49am »

Interesting ideas actually. When you talk about fear, I'm reminded of that scene in 'Donnie Darko' where the man talks about the polar opposites of 'fear' and 'love', and how Donnie says that life isn't so simple, there are a whole range of emotions that dictate how we behave.
At a young age, I think we can remember times when we wanted to give ourselves to people, but were pushed back, and experiences like these harden us I guess to doing that again, so that we have to express ourselves in more complicated ways.
There are various reasons for why this happens some of them specfic some of them may be generic or social. You are however that you love and not what loves you. You can't wait for salvation from someone else. So as I was saying before I think individuality is something about communicating with the world in a way that appeals to what is common between us. Though this might be narrow. I know I would've answered this differently a few years ago.
I think obviously the fact that we can't relate to people the same way we might've in our childhood and youth, is definately a social thing, HOWEVER that doesn't mean we deny society, because there are still 'people' amoung us! Though it's a strange thing isn't it; the importance of individuality in contrast with social conventions and mores. They are so closely linked, you can't talk about one without the other.
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 2nd, 2006, 03:51am »

on Aug 2nd, 2006, 01:49am, Tim wrote:
Interesting ideas actually. When you talk about fear, I'm reminded of that scene in 'Donnie Darko' where the man talks about the polar opposites of 'fear' and 'love', and how Donnie says that life isn't so simple, there are a whole range of emotions that dictate how we behave.
At a young age, I think we can remember times when we wanted to give ourselves to people, but were pushed back, and experiences like these harden us I guess to doing that again, so that we have to express ourselves in more complicated ways.
There are various reasons for why this happens some of them specfic some of them may be generic or social. You are however that you love and not what loves you. You can't wait for salvation from someone else. So as I was saying before I think individuality is something about communicating with the world in a way that appeals to what is common between us. Though this might be narrow. I know I would've answered this differently a few years ago.
I think obviously the fact that we can't relate to people the same way we might've in our childhood and youth, is definately a social thing, HOWEVER that doesn't mean we deny society, because there are still 'people' amoung us! Though it's a strange thing isn't it; the importance of individuality in contrast with social conventions and mores. They are so closely linked, you can't talk about one without the other.


A lot of good facts and life is difficult but u can allways make it a little easier i for one sometimes meditate and when i do something thats reallly booring i try to see it as a challange something positive and when it comes to interract with people i allways see so i am myself that talks and if this were years ago i say as u Tim i would have answered differently.
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 6th, 2008, 1:31pm »

Life is what you chose it to be.
No more than that. No mission, no destiny. But about us being another person? (I once wrote a really short essay, about that same theme. I think it was one of my best works. PM me and I'll translate it and give it to you.) I think we can learn with others, and "turn" into that person for a while. But we are ourselves. We shall fight for being different, for being ourselves. I have built myself with a bit of other people, but with a strong dose of my own being. I learned how to become another person. That's why invented an all new identity. But the point of being a human being, is that we are all different, not just another gorilla. We are proud, we are selfish, we are hateful, we are vengeful, and that's what makes us human. And you can't turn to someone else...
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 7th, 2009, 7:21pm »

on Jul 31st, 2006, 3:45pm, Johannes wrote:
ive thought of this and ive came across it in a book at a time...
depending on what influences u get from other people makes the one u are, if u sometimes listen to urself u will find that u talk as someone else would depending on the situation.
There are meny people who actually are not them selves insted they are a mix of a lot of other people.

so think of it for a moment and u will c that u actually use other peoples intellect towards things.


People learn from other people. Its that simple.
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 12th, 2009, 4:58pm »

I see your point but at the end of the day what makes you who you are is your choices. Who you decide to believe or oppose. I beleive im myself whether i have been influenced by other people around me or not.
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