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« Thread started on: Jan 20th, 2004, 8:18pm »

Do you think that Bush will remain in office after the next election? If you do, do you think he'll stay in for long?
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 21st, 2004, 03:54am »

I really don't know enough about America, and how people are. I would like to think that he won't be. I know that there are many against him, and that the margians for getting in were slim and contraversial.

But if Americans believe recent statements like these from him:

"The world is a better place under my rule"

Then America has little hope.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 22nd, 2004, 01:57am »

I hope my fellow Americans boot his ass out of office. And the Patriot Act needs to GO. 9/11 will live on always in my eyes as another Pearl Harbor. It could have been prevented and either people didnt listen or no one acted. I hate seeing the Bill of Rights and Constitution being turned into worthless paper which is whats going on now. Unforunately I think Bush has either A) a lot of followers (i pray he really doesnt) or B) the ones he has are just immensly vocal. The average American doesn't follow politics either unless it makes in onto their TV and I'm afraid most forget a couple weeks afterwards. But here's hoping.. and I know Bush isn't getting my vote.

What I really am afraid of is someone rigging the election. The ballots in Flordia were bad enough where it looked like you were voting for one person but you were actually voting for someone else. A lot of electronic voting doesnt have a paper trail. And I've read about the guy incharge of the company thats supplying the voting machines saying quite bluntly that he would "Get Bush the votes he needed." With felons working in companies like his (one was actually sent to prison for hacking) I don't feel too happy one bit.... and again 90% of America has no clue about these things.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 22nd, 2004, 03:19am »

Thanks, we have more insight now smiley

I was watching the news and many people were rallying against Bush because of the economic crisis. There were quite a lot of people and obviously their cause is justified.
The opposition democrats seem to have supporters, but I was a bit worried when one of the campaigners(who used to be in the army) said:
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If George Bush wants to take this election into the military issues, then I have three words for him(and the croud chanted with him): "Bring it on!"

But I'm sure he's better than George Bush and I only saw a snippet of the campaigners.

Electronic voting does seem dodgy. If it can be hacked into and rigged so, its probably not a good idea.

I think its a good idea for more Americans to be educated in, and well-informed in politics. Its probably important for any nation, because otherwise voting becomes a joke. In Australia everyone has to vote, but it wouldn't work well if people weren't relatively well-informed about federal politics. (Well atleast most people know whos an idiot. Our prime minister was booed at the rugby smiley )
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 24th, 2004, 8:53pm »

I don't know... I'm not even sure if people will get rid of Blair over here. Sure, he's lied, he's undergoing an inquiry, he's backed out of his election promises and even contradicted them... the countries a crime-ridden dump, they don't seem to bother about all the asylum seekers - Britain is more densely populated than most countries, maybe even coming close to China, yet 1 in 5 of the total asylum seekers come here because of the government's lose approach - and of course, there's the war. The only reason I know of to vote for him would be the change in paying for universities, which would allow me to go without having to pay a huge lump-sum to start with, but that doesn't outweigh how corrupt he is, and most people don't like the idea because you have to pay more in the long run. Yet, somehow, I have a feeling he'll get in. In spite of all of this, I have a feeling he'll get in. If anyone is rational, he won't, and I sure hope he doesn't, but there's still this nagging feeling...
I think it's the same with George Bush. He's done a lot of nasty stuff, including the Patriot Act (which if I understand it correctly, undermines the ideals of a free state which he preaches about so regularly to those who don't have them), but I have this feeling that somehow, he'll get back in... I sure hope not.
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 25th, 2004, 01:09am »

I have that feeling to. Its sad that there aren't any great candidates at the moment.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 26th, 2004, 4:37pm »

Yeah. I'd suggest someone who would be a good replacement... only, as I understand it, there are so many people running an election campaign (many of which for the same party, I think) that I'm not actually sure of anyone's name, let alone their policies...
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 27th, 2004, 10:14pm »

I don't think that it is a good idea for a man with roughly the intelligence of a mentally disadvantaged chimpanzee to be the most powerful man in the world. America once had strong, good leaders; one of the people, elected by the people. Bush seems more concerned with settling old scores ("He tried to kill my daddy!") and realising personal goals than doing what is best for America as a nation.
That ex-Major General Tim was writing about actually seems like quite a reasonable guy. He gave recently evidence against Slobodan Milosevich (if that is how it's spelt) in his war crimes tribunal in the Hague. However, he could be another power crazed warmonger out to get "Public Enemy No#1". I don't know much of the other candidates.
Funny, on Australian news services the recent Californian Election was covered in greater depth than any federal US election ever has been.

I don't think Bush will get a second chance, but then again...
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 28th, 2004, 6:30pm »

Depends who there is to vote on. In Britain, I reckon Labour and Blair have gotten in every time not so much because of their policies, not so much because of the prime minister himself (in fact it's hard to see why he's still PM in the first place). Last election, at least, Labour was the only real choice. Liberals haven't really had much experience of running the country since WW1, and they all seem to distinctly lack a personality of any sort. The Conservatives change their leader more frequently than I change my clothes, and keep disagreeing and splitting on things. Sure, Labour have put the country into debt and followed America into an illegal war, not to mention directly contradicting their election manifesto, but, unless the Conservatives do something abou their image, Labour has every chance of staying in government again.
I guess it boils down to how stable the opposition is, and hwo good their PR manager, mroe than anything else - what sort of opposition does Bush have, beyond the dozens and dozens of (what are they, Democrats?) presidential candidates?
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 29th, 2004, 05:53am »

Looking at the news, I think that Bush has a good chance of getting kicked out by that ex-major general guy.

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« Reply #10 on: Feb 29th, 2004, 4:54pm »

Unfortunately, that "ex-major general guy" has dropped out of the election. John Kerry looks set to win the election. I think he seems like a decent guy (he voted against extra military funding in congress among other anti-Bush actions), but is against gay marrige, which seems rather backwards to me. Why shouldn't everyone be allowed the same rights, regardless of sexuality?
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« Reply #11 on: Mar 1st, 2004, 04:58am »

Oh, I thought you were talking about him all along. hahah, that proves how little I knew about this.

Yes he looks quite good. He is against the Bush foreign policy and military, and of course the idiotic spending(I'm assuming). He is also get this(!) against the death penalty! Which is quite reassuring. I think maybe that the only reason he says he is against gay marrigae is because 2 in 1 Americans are against it. Maybe, maybe at heart he isn't against it.

But he looks like the guy that will beat Bush. Oh and just todays or yesterday Bush was talking with German Chancellor Gehard Shroder about the current situation in foreign affairs. Bush couldn't say anything meaningful or insightful to the media about their conversation but said:

Mr Shroder has a good sense of humour..Therefore he can make me laugh..He is a good guy to be around.

(something along those lines) undecided
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« Reply #12 on: Mar 1st, 2004, 7:35pm »

BBC New's estimate was that 60% of Americans are against gay marriage. Whether the rest just don't care or are hoping for gay marriage to be legalised or not is beyond me though.
Is that guy you're talking about the one who's 'definitely' (tongue) served in Vietnam?
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« Reply #13 on: Mar 2nd, 2004, 12:48am »

I think he has, yes. But not 100% sure.
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« Reply #14 on: Mar 4th, 2004, 03:19am »

I don't think he did serve, because he was an major activist against the Vietnam war, although he may have served in the armed forces then returned to the US to stage he demonstrations. (??)
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