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« Thread started on: Jan 30th, 2004, 05:05am »

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« Reply #1 on: Jan 31st, 2004, 8:51pm »

Heh, they should be the exact opposite of most leaders today grin

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More than anything else, they should be leader because they care about the people they lead. Not because they want their names etched in history books, because they like the large pay and benefits, and because they like to be in power. But because they really want to make a difference.

I was watching the House of Commons a couple of times recently on BBC Parliament. The first time was a debate of the recently-voted-on University Tuition Fees act. Some of what Blair said was obviously spin, or for money. Some of what he said though, intentionally or not, would actually help more people than it hurt. Obviously, you can't please EVERYONE, it's nigh-on impossible. But, even these parts of his proposal which would have helped so many people, Howard (Opposition Leader) argued with. Most of his arguments were just for the sake of argument, some even with made-up or twisted facts.
Again, the day the Hutton Report was released, whether you believe it's conclusions or not, Howard argued with everything Blair said. It would've been OK had he used some evidence to back what he said up - but his arguments were taken directly from the report, and yet contradicted what it said completely, as though he hadn't even read it. Petty insults, subtle mockery, and down-right childish arguments are abound in that place as people try to entrench themselves into positions of power.

A good leader would do something about the rampant bureaucracy that hinders the progress government could be making if they wanted. A good leader wouldn't put forward plans strictly for the purpose of undermining the opposition's position, or grabbing votes. They should do so because they know it will help. Unfortunately, most polititians are after the money, power, bonuses and fame high-ranking positions will bring them. Bureaucracy is what I hate most in politics. It undermines what democracy is supposed to stand for, and a good leader would try and do something abou it.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 31st, 2004, 8:58pm »

Yeh I see.

And what about his relationship with his/her people? How do you think this should be?
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 31st, 2004, 9:11pm »

Honest, obviously not to the extent that he/she damages national security, but y'know... with the things that concern us. We shouldn't be in any doubt that they're not telling us the truth, as we are right now. I think people would have a lot more respect for politicians if they dropped the used-car salesman routine and told them straight what was going on. After all, it's our (extensive, over here, anyway) taxes that they're mucking around with. Drop the spin-doctor, tell people in simple terms, honestly, what's going on and what's being done. That's all the people really want to hear.
Also, referendums on all the major issues. Obviously not for every little thing, otherwise bureaucracy would take on a new meaning. But major things, i.e. going to war when we're not directly threatened by our 'enemy', or joining the Euro or even the EU altogether. Feels like we're just being used for the government to losen their purse strings sometimes, the way they make no real effort to find out what the people want, they just make assumptions or listen to reletively small-scale and possibly inaccurate independant polls.
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 31st, 2004, 9:30pm »

A leader who actaully talks to his people. Perhaps if there are forums with representatives from different unions and organisations to discuss, not decide certain things for the country, world.

Obviously parlaiment is a joke at the moment. The politicians are only concerned with their own benefits or the party's benefit. And they won't go against their party even if they are against the soon-to-be-made bill.

If the leader only talks to his fellow politicians in matters that concern his people then thats flawed....?
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 1st, 2004, 7:43pm »

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If the leader only talks to his fellow politicians in matters that concern his people then thats flawed....?


Not sure what you mean, could you elaborate pleas?
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 2nd, 2004, 01:03am »

As in, if the leader only talks to his fellow politicians(in the case of politics) without talking to his own people, then that isn't good. The people need some say, and the leaders need other insight.
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 2nd, 2004, 10:17pm »

Yes, I think just talking to MPs who spend all their time in the House of Commons is a poor thing. Perhaps, local MPs could randomly pick out names of residents within their constituency, maybe once a month or even once a year, and invite them to a meeting where they could discuss, within reason (i.e. everyone wants taxes to be lowered, but there are obvious limits), what they like and dislike about what's going on, realistic changes they'd like to see being made, and maybe even an opinion on international policies. It'd be good if they could get different people from different ages and backgrounds. Obviously, the entire population can't do so or it'd take decades each time. But... just four or five people per consituency, then the MP who sat in the meeting could report back to the Commons or wherever and see if he can't get the more reasonable things done. Even if it had little actual impact, just knowing the government actually acknowledges our existence beyond the role of taxpayer and voter would be a boost for most people, in politics or out. Although, this entire proceedure may create a lot more paperwork and consume more time, depending on how it's done - and I haven't enough information on the inner-workings of the government and what they can and can't do to make a definitive suggestion. But I do think that the government needs more contact with the outside world. Certainly, more than they get from protesters standing outside the gates of Buckingham Palace and the newspapers. And certainly, the people should have more ways of having a say than voting (which is rather unspecific and has limited effect these days), and a rather unfair option of protesting (if the government really served the people, as they would have us believe, people wouldn't have to walk in circles all day with banners, chanting in the cold just to get their point across, while ministers sit in luxury pretending nothing's happening).
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 2nd, 2004, 11:33pm »

Thats very true.

Politicians need the opinon of the public, and consider it and then talk back to the public not just dictate.
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 2nd, 2004, 11:57pm »

A Prime Minister or President is an elected representitive of the people. In my view, a good leader is one of the people, chosen by the people. That's what made guys like Kennedy so popular. He came across as just an average American (he wasn't, but he seemed it).

What do you think about the Monarchy?

There's a line from "Yes, Minister" spoken by Sir Humphrey Appleby in support of the Monarchy:
"Bernard, you can't trust people to choose their own ruler!"
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 3rd, 2004, 01:37am »

heh, well I certainly don't agree with that
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« Reply #11 on: Feb 3rd, 2004, 11:41pm »

Most people don't. That's why it's funny.
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« Reply #12 on: Feb 4th, 2004, 04:58am »

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« Reply #13 on: Feb 7th, 2004, 4:26pm »

If it was a serious question, lol, and in regards to the British monarchy, then I think they should stick around. The Queen has no actual power - if she so much as told a minister to do something, there'd be an instant reform to get rid - just like when the House of Lords tried to flex their muscles a hundred or so years ago.
The royal family (well, the Queen at least) brings in a lot of tourism, both nationally and internationally. They have been good British ambassadors in the past, if you ignore the frankly insulting tabloids. And they do a lot of charity work, for example around the time of her 50th jubilee, the Queen opened up the grounds of Buckingham Palace to a bunch of homeless/disabled/orphaned (I can't remember, it was likely the middle one though) kids to play around for a day. And they're a part of our heritage, and should be preserved if only for the sake of posterity.

But anyway, lol, we diverse.
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 9th, 2004, 02:25am »

Yeh, I understand.

This is sort of offtopic but when you say amassadors I remember when Prince Charles(I think it was, forgive me) was here, he said to one of the indigneous Australians something along the lines of 'You don't go around killing eachother with spears do you'.
There was a bit controversy, but I suppose thats his humour, I'm not saying anything against the monarchy.

It probably good to have a figure like the British monarchy, unless of course they don't really want to live that lifestyle anymore(which I would understand actually).
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