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« Thread started on: Oct 12th, 2003, 05:21am »

ok, guys/girls a very tough subject, but lets just discuss it first before we draw some conclusion toward how to 'tranform' it. grin

What do they each want?
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 12th, 2003, 11:12pm »

The Palestinians want a land to call their own, but the Jews want the Palestinians to conform to the Israeli suppression, not wanting to give up any of their own land. Obviously, this makes both sides chargrinned angry.

The Palestinians restort to violence under terroristic means to attempt to persuade the Jews, certainly a very bloody way to negotiate gunboat diplomacy.

Israel actually invaded Palestine in the mid-20th century, as well as the Gaza strip, which was originally part of Egypt, using weapons suplied by both the USA and Great Britain, the latter being the government that also created the state of Israel after the Second World War, in effect, beginning the problem.

So it is an extremely complicated issue, with immensly stubborn opposing sides, and could very likely never be solved.
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 13th, 2003, 02:47am »

Won't be "solved", yes I agree.

So what you're saying is that both nations, primarily want a nation they can call their own, or want to be seen as a nation...?
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 13th, 2003, 06:10am »

Basically, the Palestinians want land, a rather materialistic way of seeking nationhood, but still entirely justified.
Israel wants to be seen as a major power, part of the first world, but its treatment of the Palestinians is causing its image to decay.


The whole thing would be far simpler if the Palestinians did not want Jerusalem (the capital of Israel) for themselves. This city, as widely known, it a sacred site for three religeons: Christianity, Judeism and Islam (to which the Palestinians belong). Obviously, the Israelis do not want to surrender their capital city to a race that, for the most part, has hated the Jews for thousands of years.
But I supposee even if the desire for Jerusalem was not present in the Palestinian people, the Israeli government is far to stubborn to give away any land to their loathed enemy, even if it will prevent a great deal of blood shed.
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 13th, 2003, 07:32am »

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Basically, the Palestinians want land, a rather materialistic way of seeking nationhood, but still entirely justified

I think a lot of the land has religious and historic significance, so it isn't entirely 'materialistic' as you say.
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The whole thing would be far simpler if the Palestinians did not want Jerusalem (the capital of Israel) for themselves

haha, the whole thing could be a lot simpler in many ways. smiley

So would you agree, that both sides want to have their 'nationhood' and also have the freedon to these religious and historic places to satisfy their faith and heritage?
Anything more to add to their needs and wants?
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 13th, 2003, 07:36am »

I suppose it's not really materialism.


And, yes, I would agree, except both sides are extremely selfish, and certainly would not simply share the territory.

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« Reply #6 on: Oct 13th, 2003, 07:54am »

Well if their conlict was tranformed to give them what they both want, there wouldn't be a reason to be selfish and vengeful, but it would be an opportunity to look forward.

So how do you think this could happen(hehe, tough one for everyone) grin ?
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 13th, 2003, 10:46pm »

Its very sensitive. I don't think that it can be just "transformed" like that. The UN, (horeaven help us) the US could step in and force the sides to into a permanent cease fire, backed up by military force, but that would just make things alot worse with hatred against the West by both sides forming, and besides, violence would continue through smuggled bombs, etc.
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 14th, 2003, 01:46am »

well the 'Roadmap to peace' was like that wan't it, but that seemed not to help.
It will obviously take a lot of dedication from both sides.
Do we have any ideas?
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 14th, 2003, 06:25am »

'Roadmap to Peace' was flawed from the beginning.

No, I do not have any ideas.
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 15th, 2003, 05:34am »

What's wrong with making the major cities accessible by both palestinians and Israelies?
(There is something wrong with it grin)
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 15th, 2003, 07:22am »

Hmmmm, maybe the BLOODSHED that will ensue!!!!
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« Reply #12 on: Oct 16th, 2003, 02:08am »

yes rolleyes

But what's wrong with the idea of such a 'solution'
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« Reply #13 on: Oct 16th, 2003, 11:03pm »

I suppose it's the thought that counts! wink
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« Reply #14 on: Oct 17th, 2003, 02:42am »

Yes, but tell me what's wrong with it.....


ok, well such a 'solution' hasn't actually dealt with the land and the ownership, and the business of nationanalism.
What sort of a system could?( I ask again )

Even if we discuss not the final thing, just something small that would be a good idea to help them...?

If we don't have any soon, I'll suggest one. smiley
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